Alright, so Ms. Kaitlyn, you can start wherever you want.
Well, there’s a lot to the story. I’m assuming this is between Liv [Dameron 00:00:07] and Clayton, correct?
Yeah.
I mean, the story has been going on for, I would say basically even maybe a year now. I don’t … There’s a lot to the story. Basically, a summary … I’m friends with both of them, but I was friends with Liv first. And she and Clay were talking on and off throughout either the first semester, last year, second semester … It was around the first semester, I would say. And they were getting really close and all of that. And everyone assumed they were going to start dating. And he kept pushing it off, and he wouldn’t call her his girlfriend. And I remember there was one day where we were all hanging out, and this was one of the first times I noticed it was a red flag about him. Where I brought up … Me and my friends were sitting with him studying in the library, and I brought up Liv. And I was like, “So when are you guys going to make it official?” And he’s like, “Oh, we don’t really hang out that much.”
And I stopped. And I was like, “What do you mean? She’s over like every day, she sends me Snapchat. She’s over at your place every day.” And he said we’ve only hung out twice. And I was like, “I know for a fact you’ve haven’t.” And he’s like, “Is she telling everybody that we’re going to date?” And that’s when I got literally in front of all my friends. I was like, “If you don’t start dating this girl, then you better drop it because you’re leading it on with her.” My personality, I’m very protective and straight forward. So people usually get scared of me, but it’s okay. But I actually told him. I was like, “If you hurt my friend, I’ll hurt you.” And not in a physical way.
I was like, “I’m not threatening anybody.” But I let him know if you hurt my friend, I’ll hurt you.” Because he was trying to play, I don’t really know her. We only hang out a little bit. And that was my first big red flag; was that he doesn’t like talking about the girls he’s with. But when we would hang out other times, he was always super chill. Just with girls that he had a weird side of him, but everything else was super chill. But that was happening. So I told Liv about it. I was like, “Liv, he pretended that he barely knew you when we asked him about you and acted like you guys weren’t going to date.” And she’s like, “But that doesn’t make any sense.” All this kind of stuff.
And I was like, “Girl, I’m telling you what he said. He said that he doesn’t hang out with you much. He’s not planning on dating you.” She was mad. And they had a little … not really falling out, but they argued and then kept talking. And then, fast forward, they were just on and off to around spring break. And before spring break, she told me that he said he was going to make it official when they came back from spring break. So, she was all excited. She was just telling me all about it, saying that she was excited that we’re finally going to start dating. Well, after spring break, he tells her that he doesn’t see her that way. And no, I don’t trust … There’s so many things building up to this. And also, before I also get into this, am I allowed to share their sexual stuff? Cool. I was like, I don’t know if I’m allowed to mention that, and they’re not going to hear this. Right?
Everything that we’re recording, if we were to move forward with a formal investigation if we were. For a formal resolution, we can try to give you anonymity. We can try, but that would just depend on some of the activities-
Well, I’ve told them mostly all of that straight to their face. So whatever, I’ll take it as it comes because there’ll be … I don’t know how they’ll both react to this.
You can’t … This is what I can do for you. I can guarantee that we don’t tolerate any form of retaliation. You cannot be in trouble for talking to me today at all. The minute someone reaches out to you, the minute if you received … I’m not saying that you would, but if anyone were to ever threaten you or there’s a negative comment made, or if someone’s putting pressure on you, you tell me, and I will stop that.
Cool. Just making sure.
You’re fine.
I kind of feel bad because I mean Clay is a good person, but just … I told him straight to his face. You don’t know how to deal with women, and it’s ridiculous. Get your act together. I might have said some other words instead of that, but basically-
That’s fine.
But getting back into it, after spring break, they didn’t get together still. And she was all heartbroken, but they kept leading each other on. They kept being odd. It was so toxic. And I would tell them both, “You guys need to cut each other out, you shouldn’t be around each other. You don’t really know what you want.” She doesn’t really know what she wants. And she’s head over heels for you. She is making stupid decisions because of you. Well, they keep hanging out together. She tells me that they ended up having sex, and I’m like, “Okay, well and he’s still not trying to date you?” And she was like, “He keeps saying we will, but then he changes his mind.” It’s all toxic. That’s toxic F boy behavior. And it just keeps going, and going, and going.
And I don’t know all the details, but I know that it got to the point, they were on and off, on and off. And then over summer … I’m from California. So it was Clay. Clay lives an hour, an hour and a half, from me. So we’ve even hung out this summer a couple of times. But he invited her to come down to California. He paid for the ticket, but they still weren’t together. And he had been leading her on and off and all this stuff. And I was like, “Is it smart for you to come to California when you’re in love with this guy basically? And he won’t call you his girlfriend, and you shouldn’t really be hanging out with him because what’s that going to lead to?” And she was like, “No, I’ll be fine.” I was like, “Well, come visit me.”
They didn’t. What they did was, she came down and hung out with him, and they basically went on a trip together with their friends. And I told him … I bet I talked to him the day or two before they left. And I was like, “Promise me you won’t have sex with her.” Because you said … He told me that I don’t want to date her or whatever. I was like, “Promise me. You won’t have sex with her. And he was like, “I can’t promise you anything.” And I was like, “Oh, you pig.” I was so mad. Still, when they go on the trip, the first night it happens. They did it the first night, she tells me, he tells me. And then he says that he needs to start keeping his distance from her. Because he’s realizing that, “I can’t date her.”
So for the rest of the trip, he basically ignores her. So she’s messaging me heartbroken and crying that they literally had sex the first night, and the rest of the trip, he’s distant, and hanging out more with his friends, and not really responding to her, or hearing about her. And she’s here in California, and I’m just … I was so mad again. There’s been a lot to this. But anyways, that happens, she flies back home, the trip ends. And he says that “I’m going to tell her that I don’t want to date. I’ll end this once and for all. I’m going to tell her …” And I was like, “You better tell her.” Because I was again getting really irritated. So he tells her, and tells her that it’s done, that everything’s over. And she tells me that he calls her, and knows all that.
And then two days later, he calls her and tells her I take everything back. But she’s still at this point; I know he’s … Pardon my French, the douche bag and the situation. But at this point, she could have been … Literally she’s her own woman. I was telling her, you need to drop him. She wouldn’t. She was attached. So she went right back to him after two days, and he said ,I take it all back. And they were kind of trying to be friends, but she still liked him. And he was leading her on. And then he started hanging out with other girls, and they got her all mad, and hurt, and all this stuff. And I don’t know how much I’m allowed to talk about this, but then the whole sexual assault allegations came out.
So, that was a big deal. And she was freaking out, and she didn’t talk to me much about it, but he talked to me about it a lot. And not in the beginning. In the beginning, I stayed out of his business. But he told me recently everything that happened. But I just knew there was a lot of sexual assault allegations. And even though I do know … Because again, getting a good person, overall part of me wondered maybe this could be true. Because of that, I know how he treats Liv. I wouldn’t be surprised if he did do something, but I was like, “But I don’t know. And I don’t like it when people are accused of something.” Because there are people out there who try to accuse people just to get them canceled. And I’m not a fan of that. So I was like, “This could be fake and they’re trying to get on him.” But part of me was suspicious because of the way he’s been acting this whole time.
Well, eventually, the rumors died out after a while. She was telling me that they were friends again, that he was getting his lawyers in on everything, and they were going to fix everything. And then around … I’m trying to think. Around … When did this happen? I would probably say around the beginning of the school year, they had a big falling out and I’m trying remember what started it. I know what started it. So they were having this whole conversation on Snapchat which … Snapchat is fun because he can’t really save any messages. So I can’t … I have conversations with him on Snapchat, but I don’t think all of them are saved. So, they’re probably all gone by now. So I don’t have a lot of stuff for this, but they had a whole conversation where they were arguing about everything that had been going on.
And again, I took … I was against her on this part of the conversation because then she threw in that she was struggling with depression and suicidal thoughts. When she threw that into their argument … Like, “I tried to kill myself and you didn’t know about it.” That’s kind of a big thing. And at that point, you’re being like, “In not a mean way, I know mental health issues are a big deal, but throwing something in there like that is a last tactic to pull him back in, and he caught on to that.” So then, that was his perfect bait. Because now, he could turn everything against her after all the jerk crap things he did. He could be like, “Look what you just did, you messed up, and now I can use it to make everyone in the friend group hate you because of what you just did.”
So, she looked really bad because I got the last resort when he was trying to end things and they were both arguing. She threw in the “I tried to kill myself and you didn’t know about it.” So he blew up saying, “You can’t try to manipulate me with your mental health issues. That’s toxic, this, and this, and this, and this.” Which is true, but that’s literally exactly what he needed. He needed her to mess up in some way so that he could look like he was in the clear after everything that had happened. So, I was still mad at him. But I was mad at her too for throwing that in there. And she did apologize for it. She said that she was sorry that it was bad timing, that she was used to telling them when she struggled too. That just came out.
But deep down … I talked to her about it, I was like, “Girl, you knew what you did there. That wasn’t okay.” And she kept saying she didn’t have those intentions, but I could … I mean, it’s all those things like you’re in denial. She didn’t want to admit that, she never did admit to me that she was in denial. But when that happened, that’s when they fell out. Well, one of the times … She’s still friends with … And I think I already was told that you are talking to them, Conner and Abby. I don’t know if … I was told that you messaged them too. Conner and Abby, me and her went out to dinner, and we were all hanging out, and then Conner suggested why don’t we go back to his place. He lives with Clay. And Liv said fine. She was like, “Cool. Yeah, whatever.” And I was like, “Isn’t Clay there? After all this?” And I was like, “Whatever.”
We go, and she starts having a panic attack as soon as she enters the house. She starts freaking out because he’s there, and I don’t want to get her in trouble. Well, she decides to … I don’t know if I’m allowed to say, she’ll get in trouble for this. I don’t know. This is in the past. And she doesn’t do this now. But she was having a panic attack. So she wanted to get high to get herself-
There’s nothing that’s going to-
Because I didn’t want her getting kicked out or something. But she decided to get high because she was panicking, and freaking out, and wanted a calm down feeling, which I completely discouraged. I was like, “That’s not an answer, that is toxic.” I’m sure that they both don’t listen to me. So she gets high, and I’m sitting there trying to take care of her, and she’s freaking out, crying, filling me in on the whole story. I kinda already knew. And she’s telling me that I didn’t mean to throw my mental health out there. I was just trying to tell him what was going on. And she’s talking to me about it, and Clay shows up, and he’s in the house, and he knows she’s there. So they’re trying to avoid each other. And I had to go out because fun fact, I’m allergic to weed, which is a whole other story. But I can’t do the smell, I started vomiting and stuff really bad.
So when it was all … I couldn’t be in the house. Because I can’t breathe in there. It was making me sick. So I went outside, and Clay was outside, and he starts telling me … He’s like, “Cool. You know what? Can I tell you my side of the story?” And I was like, “You know me, I’m usually the meeting inter between you two. So go ahead. Just whatever.” But I was still mad at him. And he tells me his stuff that he had been trying to be distant with her and she wasn’t taking the hint, and that he got mad when she threw the mental health thing in there. And again, it’s the stuff I already knew. And I was like, “Yeah, I get it.” And then, I told both of them that night … I was like, “This is where you guys need to block each other. You need to not hang out anymore. This is done. This needs to be over.”
And he was like, “Well, we’re trying to still be friends.” I was like, “What the …” I wasn’t saying nice words. I was like, “What’s wrong with you? Literally, this is so toxic, you’ve messed with her. She threw her mental health thing at you. And you guys are both toxic to each other. You guys are both not good for each other.” And Liv was determined to get a final … Like, “No, I need a closure from him.” And I was like, “You don’t. He’s given you his closure. That is his closure. The way he’s treated you this last six to seven, eight months is a closure. He showed me what he thinks of you. Stop going for it.” They both don’t listen to me. So they still don’t block each other. They will still talk.
And it was either that night or that week, one of Clay’s roommates … They’re best friends. His name is John. And John asks Liv out on a date. And Liv says yes. And literally, right after she had her whole thing about Clay. It’s sounds like you’re being a moron, I don’t know what you’re doing, but Clay and John are good friends. And they are almost identical, it’s like the same dude. So she’s like, “I call him Clay 2.0.” Just really bad. But anyways, he’s much nicer, but I just call him that. But anyways, so she starts dating this guy John, right after everything that’s happened. As soon as that whole thing … She starts dating this guy and then her and Clay become best buds again. It’s like, because I’m dating someone else. We could be best buddies now, which I was pissed. But they started hanging out every day they go to different stores together.
He owns a little tattoo thing he does. And he was getting her tattoos. And also they were all best buds now because she’s dating someone else. And I know my minds boggled, I’m like, “If you don’t listen to me. This is going to get worse.” Well, it does. He gets a Snapchat of one of Liv’s friends through her story and asked her out on a date after he’s been telling Liv that he’s not available to date. “I’m not emotionally available to date. This is why I can’t date you. I don’t see us.” All this stuff that he wasn’t ready to date. So he goes on a date with her best friend, and her best friend agreed to it, which I’m like, “I don’t really know what that says about your other best friends.” But her best friend goes on a date with him. Liv finds out because her best friend tells her like, “Hey, me and Clay went out on a date.”
And she’s like, “What the heck? The reason why me and him never dated was because he said he wasn’t available to date.” So that brings up some conversation, and they start arguing about that. And so, they were already struggling. And he starts telling her all about how he’s going on dates with other girls. So, she’s struggling with that, but she’s with John. So, it’s like, “Alright, well, if you’re happy with John, then you should just ignore it.” I was telling her to ignore it. Don’t let him get to you, or block him for the love of God, block him. But no. So they keep this going where they’re getting that tension rising because of everything happening. And they decided … I’m trying to remember what the big, final factor of this was. There’s been so many arguments. She tells her friend that went on a date with Clay, “By the way, I think he might’ve actually done those things that he was accused of.”
So, she literally uses the words, rapist, and pedophile because of the underage pictures, or the underage pics from girls, and the whole sexual assault claim. She tells her friend, her friend who went on a date with him, and then Abby that, “I think he might’ve actually done it.” And she said later she did it out of anger. But she said in that moment, she told them that I think he did it. So because of that, one of the girls … I know it was her best friend Julia. That’s her name. I know she said that Julia told Clay that, by the way, Liz said that you were a rapist and a pedophile. He blows up and he messages her. How could you say those things about me? All this, and this, and this. And they start arguing. She goes, “Well, you did do all these things. And you’ve admitted some things to me in the past, and all these kinds of things.” And he’s like, “Yeah, but I didn’t do that. And you should know this.”
They just were arguing and fighting really bad. And that’s when he said that he wanted all his stuff back. He’s like, “I want all my stuff back. I don’t want anything to do with you anymore.” And they were arguing about it. it was a big fight. She says, “Fine.” But at this point, I’m like … She’s at my place crying over all this stuff, freaking out, angry. And he’s talking to me privately, all angry, and frustrated. And I was smack dab in the middle. And so I told her, I was like, “I don’t want you seeing him anymore.” I was like, “Give me his stuff and I’ll give it to him a separate day.” So she comes over to my place, gives me his stuff. A couple of days later, Clay comes over to my place to pick it up. And I’m like, “Dude, we got to talk. We got to figure this crap out.” So he sits with me, and we talked for probably three hours. Him and Connor were both there.
And we talked for probably three hours. And I was like, “Tell me what’s been going on because I’m frustrated.” And he starts filling me in. That what happened with the whole sexual assault thing was that one of the things … It’s his ex girlfriend’s …. whatever. In the story … Again, it looks like a lot of work to cover some things up being honest, but that’s my opinion. But he says that one of his ex girlfriends, her current boyfriend was still mad at the way he treated her or whatever. Because it was a toxic relationship, normal so that he paid these girls to come up with fake sexual assault claims. And it was all from the same account. When he said his lawyers were looking into it, it was the same person that was doing it. They were coming up with different accounts to make different sexual assault claims about him. So, he was saying that they were … It was paid to do that, to make him look bad, and all this stuff. Because his ex was mad about the way he treated her. Something about a company too.
I don’t remember what it was, but sometime a company thing. The guy wanted … I don’t know … It was this whole story about company ownership, and this guy paying these girls to make fake sexual assault claims. But Clay has a lot of money. Clay is very loaded. So I wouldn’t be surprised if he either needed to pay people, or pay certain lawyers, and get certain things that he wants. Because the whole story seems really fishy. And anytime I would ask questions that didn’t really … parts that didn’t make sense, Connor would come in and try save this bullet and be like, “Oh no, it’s like this, and this, and this, and this, and this.” And I’d be like, “Not really asking you.” You know what I mean? I’m trying to talk to him.
Well, when the whole thing with his clothes came out, when he went out with clothes, with … When he asked me for all of this stuff back, he said whatever I need to do, I’ll get my clothes back, my stuff back. And it was like a threat. And he even admitted to me that it was a threat. And when we first met … I’ll say this because I almost punched him in the face. Keep that on record. I don’t care. His words were, “I don’t give a F that I threatened her.” And I literally stood up. I was like, “Watch what you say in my apartment or I’ll punch you right now.” I was so mad. I was like, “We’re not going to talk about that part of the conversation because I will start hitting you.” I was so mad because you don’t threaten my friends. That’s just not how it goes. I’m just very protective.
So I told him we’re going to have a normal conversation like adults, I’m going to skip over the threatening parts. We talk about it. I will end up hitting you. And I was like, “And I don’t have … ” Because I was angry. I was so frustrated. And he told me that he had asked her to step back multiple times, and she kept saying that she would get to it, but never did. So he was getting angry, and frustrated. He said, when I said I’ll do anything about it, He meant that he’d go to the school, and tell him that she’s not getting any of my property back. And I was like, “Yeah, but that’s not really how he worded it. He worded it like a threat. And you said it three times to her.” And I was getting frustrated. He was like, “Well I just want my stuff back.” I was like, “Well here’s your stuff.” Because she’d given it to me. And he’s going through it. And he’s like, “I’m missing some things.” I said, well, what are you missing? He’s like, “My family ring and a sweatshirt.”
And the thing with the ring … And again, they both, I don’t know, who’s telling the truth on this. But I do know he sent it to her over spring break, which is why she thought they were going to get dated. Because he sent her a package with a ring in it. And then when she asked him about it, he played it off and said, Oh, some random ring I found in my room. That’s what she said. She said that’s what he said to her. That was some random thing. It didn’t really mean anything. Because after that, he didn’t end up dating her. He said it didn’t really mean anything. It’s just some dumb ring, whatever, because she was all sad about it. But then, when I asked him about it, he said that’s a family ring. And that’s been in his family for a long time. And that he told her that and she’s lying. So I don’t know, who’s telling the truth in that. But he says it’s a family ring. And that he told her it’s a family ring. She says that he said it was some random thing and he gave it to her as a gift. So she shouldn’t have to give it back.
And I was trying to explain it. I was like, “Yeah, but Liv, if you just gave him his shirt and ring back, whatever it is, it’s done. It’s over. That’s all he wants. He said, he’ll give you this.” He doesn’t care. He said that Liv is a liar. He doesn’t want to see you anymore. I don’t to talk to you. If you just give him his last two things, this could finally be over. She refused to give him these stuff, those two things. But she still has it. She won’t get back to him. So, I eventually got them to block each other. They finally blocked on each other… At least when I last talked to them, they were blocked. I don’t know if that’s still happening now. But after everything that happened, she did block him, and they blocked each other. And they only had either texting or something.
One thing they were able to talk. He kept messaging me … Actually, no, I think they blocked each other on everything. Because he kept messaging me and he was like, “Hey, did Liv give you my ring and my shirt back?” I was like, “No, she hasn’t done it yet.” And I kept messaging her and it’s like total denial. But she’s like, “Oh, but I put a new meaning to it and he gave it to me as a gift. So I don’t get why everyone’s acting so dramatic about it. You guys care more about this than I do. That’s not even a big deal.” And I’m like, “If it’s not a big deal, then why don’t you just give it back?” You know what I mean? It’s all he wants. He was like, “If I just get my ring and shirt back, I’m good. I’m done.” And she refuses to give it back, she still has it.
And she keeps saying, “Well, it’s a new meaning to me. And it was a gift. He can’t just take it back. And you, and Connor, and Abby, are all being crazy about this.” And I’m like, “Liz, it’s because you’re holding on, this is what this means. We’re frustrated because you’re not letting go. So you are still holding onto a part of him because you know as long as you still have something that’s his, he’s going to be somewhat in contact with you.” It’s just so toxic. It is so toxic. And that’s where it’s been left off. She still has it. He keeps messaging me every once in a while like, “Hey, has she given you my stuff back yet?” And I’m like, “No, not yet.” And I’ve been calling her, messaging her, “Hey, you need to get it to us. And we can get it to him.” She’s like, “No.” So she won’t give it to anybody she’s keeping onto it.
And then he messaged me, literally I think it was yesterday. It was yesterday that he got banned from the school. And he’s like, “I think this is Liv’s doing.” And I was like, “Well, I didn’t report anything or do anything. So it’s not really me.” And he’s like, “I think Liv just got me banned from the school.” And I was like, “Okay, well, I don’t know what to tell you. It’s on you guys now, because both of you don’t really listen to me.” And well, Abby and Connor just got told they need to come in and speak. And I was like, “Well, again, that means most likely Liv reported something. And I literally don’t know.” I didn’t want to talk about it because I assume that most likely I’d be coming in too. So I was just like, “I don’t know what to tell you.”
And I don’t know if you guys, will have to interview him, but I’ll get everything I have clear real quick. But when he did come over to my apartment, I did threaten to punch him because I was really upset. I yelled at him in front of Connor that the way he treats girls is ridiculous. Because, I get that you’re a chill guy. You’re fun to be around. But the way you treat women is despicable and I’m over it. And even Connor agreed. Conner was like, “Yeah, I have to agree with her on this. You just got to stop dating.” And I was like, “Exactly, you’re not ready to date.” You keep saying, you’re not ready to date, quit going out with girls, or quit making enemies to girls. And then you wouldn’t have things like sexual assault allegations come out because people are mad at you because of the way you’ve treated girls.” I mean, if he would treat girls kindly and respectfully, you wouldn’t have people who want to get revenge at you for sexual assault things. You know what I mean? And just start treating them like people, not objects.
So I went off on him and I yelled at him. And if he claims it was very threatening, I could say that I was very mad, and yelling … And again with the … I was very upset about it all. And one of the things he mentioned is also key. I know I’m talking a lot, and really fast, but one of the other things he mentioned is … He did admit that he did buy pictures from girls. He admitted that to me, but he said they weren’t under age. And he said that was the big deal. He said it wasn’t pedophilia. They were above age. It wasn’t… And Liv said I was a pedophile, not so bad, and all this stuff. But he said, that was the reason why he got really mad. It was because he did back it, he said twice. And he said, but the girls were not under age and it was wrong. But it’s a big difference between that and pedophilia.
But then when I talked to Liv about it … And again, I don’t know who’s telling the truth. Liv said that he admitted they were underage. So I think that’s what it says. Well, I don’t know who’s telling the truth, but it was like, that doesn’t make sense because he told me they were under age. And I’m like, “Well, I don’t know what to tell you.” He’s telling people that they weren’t, and saying that they were older than him, and it’s not what you mean. Not like that.” So he admitted that. And again, it just sucks because I do know as a person, he’s really fun to be around. He’s really chill, but with women, I just hate the way he treats women. And he knows that. And again, not any way, but he’s like, “I’m one of the only people that he knows that calls him out on it.” Because Connor and Abby, try to talk to him about it, but they let it go, even Liv.
Liv was the one who was the victim of the most of all this, she just kept letting it go. The things that happened in the California trip, the having sex, and then saying that we’re not really together, lying about who she … I don’t really know her. Then all these stuff. And I’m like, “Liv you’re letting this go more than anybody.” At the first time, I would have been mad and never talked to him again. I was like, “You let this go on for a year now. You’re letting yourself be treated badly by this guy. Get out.” She wouldn’t, she’s obsessed with him. It’s obsessive. I don’t know what else would describe it. And so, on both parties, it was toxic. And so, I told him that I didn’t like the way he treats women, that he should stop. And I told her to stop and quit going out with guys … But she’s still dating that guy that looks exactly like Clay, is friends with Clay, it’s still coming around Clay. So that’s not going to lead anywhere; well, either way, I would say I’m trying to warn her about that too, but that’s mainly what I know. Is that it’s all of that.
And there’s probably some stuff I’ve looked down. I’m trying to think if there’s anything I’ve forgotten. But as of right now, that’s all I can really think of. So far everything about them’s just been one crazy toxic trip and no one’s really listening. But Conner … I mean, Clay has admitted to me that he’s scared of me, which I don’t mind. Because I don’t mind him being scared of me because of the fact that he needs someone that will call him out, and I’m willing to do that. And you know what I mean? He knows I’m not going to take that anymore. And I’m glad that him and Liv are done, but it’s not officially over yet because she still has his stuff. And until he gets his stuff back … He’s really persistent on getting his stuff back. Because he says it’s a family ring. And I get that. If it’s a family ring, that’s a big deal. But she’s refusing to give it back. So, that’s causing more attention. And I don’t know what’s going to happen from that, but I know that it’s not going well right now. So I think that’s all. I don’t know if it’s a lie-
It is a lot, but it’s helpful. I mean, the more people I talk to, it helps me connect the dots. It’s like some things might be here and there, but some things line up. It gives you a clearer picture of where the truth is. It’s in there somewhere. You know what I’m saying?
And in some fair … I feel I should give you some warnings because I don’t know if you’ve already talked to them or whatever, but Connor and Abby have been very, very on and off with what side they were on. With me, I tried to be in the middle. I was more on Liv’s side because I could see what he was doing to her. And when I talked to him, it was clear that he knew what he was doing to her. But Connor and Abby, I’m going to put in the beginning, they were all … Connor has been best friends with Clay. They’ve been best friends forever and Abby’s dating Conner. So it’s all that little loyal pack right there. But Abbey is best friends with Liv. So it’s that whole little four pack. But when everything happened with threats and everything, they took his side.
And I found that really odd because I could tell that they both knew it was wrong that he said that stuff. But when the whole … When it related to the sexual assault stuff, they instantly benched at his side. And I found that really interesting that … Especially after everything he did to Liv, I started … Especially Abby too. Abby was like … Liv and Abby, we’re talking about it. And now, he was acting like she was crazy for saying those things. And I was like, “Why is she critic …” To be fair, just looking at it fair. She has a point to want to say those things after the way he treated her. Why are you guys still protecting Clay, defensive of Clay? And when I told Clay I wanted to speak to him, give him the stuff that … He brought Connor and I told him not to.
And again, any time I would ask questions or something like “Well, that doesn’t really make sense.” Conner would jump in and save him real quick. And I just kind of noticed those patterns. Where it looks like they’re kind of … not working together, but it looks like they’re working together, and it makes you think like, “This is what our truth is. And if anyone asks questions, I got you, you got me. This is the story. Let’s go over it 30 times.” You know what I mean? Which to me, makes it look even more suspicious like there’s something going on here. But again, because to me, Liv had a fair point in saying that he could have done those things, but I don’t know. So I would just speak to her like, “Why does he have to be careful?” Because I feel anything they say, they’re going to try to defend Clay. Clay again is a good person, but not with Liv, and he’s not. And I feel like whatever, they’re going to say, that … I don’t know if they’re going to be honest. I hope they’re honest. But I feel like they’re really going to try to protect Clay. So just a little warning. I don’t know if that’s helpful or not.
It is. Thank you for that. I’ve got some-
You’re getting-
Things that might jump all over the place here. So you’re from what part of California?
I’m in Southern California. Orange County.
And you said that’s an hour-
It’s about an hour and a half to two, because he’s in San Diego. And depending on traffic, he can get there about an hour and a half. But-
Was his intention to finish out academically over the summer and then go back home?
Honestly, I have no … With that … That whole thing was weird too. After everything that happened with Jerry and then the whole black face. Because he did this whole thing on it, on his Instagram where he was getting this whole thing against … not against the school, but kind of against the school. And that happened over the summer which was a whole nother topic. But he said that because of all that injustice and all that stuff, he wasn’t going to come back to Liberty. And he said that he was going to … He told me that he wasn’t going to come back to Lynchburg. I was like, “Oh dude, that’s a bummer. I’ll miss you or whatever.”
But then he came back to Lynchburg anyways, and I was like, “Well, did you go to Liberty?” He’s like, “No, I don’t go to Liberty. I’m staying in the Lynchburg area.” And I was like, “Well, I get it, your friends and everybody’s here and you like being with your friends and whatever.” And he has the money to move wherever the heck he wants, and fly wherever he wants. So I guess I get it. But it was a little odd to me that he told me that he wasn’t going to come to Liberty and then came back to Lynchburg anyways. And-
When was that?
When he told me he wasn’t going to come? It was over the summer. I don’t know what exact day. I might have the DMS on my phone, but he mentioned to me that he wasn’t going to come back, and then he did so again, and I don’t really know what his intentions were with that either. But I think part of it was because everybody he knows and he’s good friends with is here. So, I think he didn’t really want to leave them. And I think that part of him realized that I didn’t want to be around Liberty because he likes Liberty. But because he made a statement online, he can’t come back, and that makes me look like a hypocrite. So I was like … I don’t know.
He’s very egotistical. He wants his ego in check. He just wants his good reputation. If there anything that could possibly foil his reputation, he tries to burn it out. And people like Liv who are easily … sad to say … But easily manipulated and fell for it. Who now want to now say something about it, but they have mistakes too, so they don’t really know how, in my point, I look at it and I call them out. I was like, “We need someone to just tell him straight up.” Because that’s what … I kind of took on that role. I would just call him out, and be like, “You’re being stupid.” So that’s all I really know about the school thing. I don’t know as much about it.
And then, you said he was hanging out with other friends in California, do you know who they were?
No, not really. I don’t really know his other friends from California. I don’t know if … I don’t think Connor was on that trip. No he wasn’t. He wasn’t on that trip. Connor wasn’t on the trip, and he said I’m aware of that. I don’t think Connor was there. I think it was just a bunch of guy friends from California and … I don’t know, his friends from Cali.
You said at some point that after everything that had happened between … I think you were referring to Liv and the big falling out, were you talking about specifically just with their relationship after everything that happened? She was having the panic attack?
The panic attack. Well, yeah. I think it was because of all of that, everything. Because I don’t really know exactly everything, but I knew that that whole panic attack happened right after the whole argument where she threw in the mental health thing. So, they weren’t friends now, and now, they were not cool with each other in that moment because she threw in that mental health thing. And again, that was perfect for Clay to make her look like the worst. So literally, everyone turned against her on that.
What was that? The big falling out?
That was the beginning of the year. That was the week before school started. Because I was here a week early because I was moving into the Oasis. And she was here, and he was here, so we all hung out before school started.
And then you were talking about Julia?
Yes.
Julia is the friend-.
Of Liv, who went on a date with Clay.
Now, he was being labeled a rapist and a pedophile by Liv?
Yes.
And is there any evidence of any of them?
I actually don’t know if … I mean, I took screenshots of all the Twitter posts that came out when they were all … Because I didn’t know if they were going to take it down or not. And I don’t know if I still have it because I deleted them a while ago. And they stay in your recently deleted for 30 days. So I don’t know if they’d still be in there, but when that first came out, I instantly took screenshots of all the assault claims just in case anything were to come out because I didn’t really trust Clay. But I don’t know any of those girls at all. So, I had never messaged them, but Liv told me … And this is actually important. I forgot to mention this. Liv said that one of the things, reasons why she also believed it, was because she was getting tons of messages on Instagram from all these girls saying, you need to be careful. And it was all the same story.
So she started saying that it was really hard to ignore it, or a bunch of people who were different people were messaging her saying, “You need to be careful because of this.” And all their stories lined up. And she was saying, that was really hard for her to be like, “Well, how did he not do this? And everyone’s story is matching? And that’s where he said that it was a paid thing. They paid them to say all the same stuff. Which again, I know can’t happen, but that’s … He has the money to cover things up if he would want to. You know what I mean? To hush-hush people, if he wanted to. Part of me is like, “Well, how much of that is true, what he was saying?” But that was one of the reasons why she said that, that was another reason why she felt like he did. It was because she got tons of messages.
She said that anytime she posted a picture where he was even in it or a video where he was in it, she’d get … And it was sometimes like they were even hateful. I think people say mean things where like, “You shouldn’t be around if you respect yourself because of what he’s done to girls, and this, and this, and this, and this.” And even Connor and Abby were getting … I don’t know if Abby did, I know Connor was getting messages too, or he was getting messages when everything came out and he distanced himself from Clay too in the beginning. In the beginning, he was like, “Oh, I’m not really going to talk to Clay.” And he kicked Clay out of the Liberty Way account that they owned because they own the Liberty Way account together on Instagram. And he kicked Clay out of it. And he was for the first … for a little while, just distance yourself. I don’t want to be around you when all this is happening. And then he said that he talked to Connor, and he told him everything that was going on, and got the lawyers involved, and when they reconciled. So again, what does that all mean? I don’t really know, but they reconciled after that.
But the claim is that this person from California, he owns a company-
I’m pretty sure that’s what it was. It was this guy. And I don’t know if he’s from California, but I know that he owned some company, and he’s one of his ex girlfriends boyfriends. So, one of Clay’s ex-girlfriends that he treated bad. It was a bad, we’ll toxic relationship. She’s dating this guy, or did date this guy. Somehow, they’re involved romantically, and she told him everything that happened with Clay, and he got mad at Clay. And I guess … I don’t know if they … I think the company ties in because I think they both have … I don’t remember what he told me the company ties in, but they’re both involved in the company in some way. And he wanted to kick Clay out. So then he said … Clay told me that that maybe he paid a bunch of girls to come up with these sexual assault allegations. It would kick him out of business, or a company or whatever. It was something like that. And I was kind of confused. I was like, “Well, the story seems far-fetched, but I do know Clay is involved in a lot of business stuff.
He sold his own app at 14 and made a bunch of money. I’ve heard it’s the reason why he’s so successful. His parents are so … Well, his mom is really successful. He’s all in their business stuff too. So, the guy has money, and he’s a business owner, he invested stocks, all that stuff. So I wouldn’t be surprised if he had a claim to a business, and somebody wanted to threaten that. So I believed that part, but going to the point of hiring all these girls, I’m like, “Other people getting all these messages and the stories are lining up, it just seems a lot of evidence stacked up.” But then, I do know that that can happen sometimes. So to be honest, I don’t really know. But with Clay, that is from the actions of what I’ve seen, the way Clay treats women. I wouldn’t be surprised if he did something.
Raping seems a little bit far for me, that seems a little too much. But I do know, he’s very charismatic. And he’s a very smooth talker. And I don’t see any attraction to him at all. But a lot of girls are going into that, and they fall for … even though I was like, “Liv what do you even see in this guy?” But then sometimes, she show me the messages, and I was like, “I see what he just said there. I got you’re falling into, I’m charismatic. I’m funny. I’m like …” So I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the girls weren’t raped per se, but got pressured to do something that in the moment, they weren’t really thinking they were, but that he smooth talked them into getting them to do something.
So again, it’s not rape, but it’s low to do crap like that. So I wouldn’t be surprised if that was more of what really happened versus … Because not only does he not seem the type to actually rape a girl … No offense, but he’s small and scrawny. He doesn’t have … I don’t know if that’s a mean thing to say, but he literally … It wouldn’t be that hard if someone needed to fight him off of you, if it was really life threatening. The guy has a terminal illness, he’s not … I don’t know if I was allowed to say that, but he has a terminal illness. So he’s not some muscular guy that can hold you down really. But he is a very good talker, very persuading to talk to. And he’s really good at manipulating people. So I wouldn’t be surprised if he either manipulated it or pressured it. And that’s how he got things with girls, and then they were mad and claimed a revenge thing against it.
Do you know the person’s name?
Of the girls?
The name of the company?
Oh, no, I don’t.
Do you know the name of the company?
Not the company, no.
Nothing about … I’m just wondering … Again, I’m neutral. I’m just trying to gather information. So do you know anyone who would maybe have information about the company or the guy that did-
Connor would.
Connor?
Yeah. Because Connor was there with the whole story about … He was there in the apartment when Clay was telling me the whole story about the company, and this guy paying him. And again, anytime he had had a stubble, or follow up, Connor would come in and save him. So I was like, that’s … Again, that was one of the red flags for me too. I was like, “No, something’s weird here, but …”
What questions were you asking that Connor would come in and save him?
Well, he asked something about … I’m trying to remember, that conversation was a while ago. Well, because I’m pretty sure I asked … I brought up the fact that a bunch of girls were messaging Liv the same story and it all lined up, and I was like, “That’s pretty suspicious-looking wouldn’t you say?” And then I think Connor answered that question and said, well, but that guy paid all these girls to say this. So they all were in it together. So they knew what to say. He paid them to say this. And I was like, “Yeah, but that does seem why would they message Liv?” You know what I mean? And he’d interrupt, “Because they knew Liv” You know what I mean? It was like those kinds of questions where they were just a tag team. They were tag team the entire night.
And let me see … I’m trying to think of what else. There was one part where he totally stepped in and I was like “That wasn’t …” I’m trying to remember what I asked. We talked a lot about him and Liv’s relationship and Connor would step in. And Connor sometimes was defendant Liv too. And the fact that he didn’t want Clay having sex with her on the California trip and he was like, “I agree that that was wrong and things like that.” When the whole sexual assault stuff was talked about, he was all on Clay side. I don’t really know how to describe it. He was just really on Clay side and said, but none of that happened. At first I distanced myself too, but then we all sat down with his lawyers and we talked about it, and he showed that he … Oh-
So Connor sat down.
I think Connor did too. All I know so far is Conner and Clay … But there’s another important part. Apparently, they asked for all … and he told me this, I don’t know if this is true, but Connor and Clay said that this happened. That the lawyers or somebody asked for all of his Venmo, PayPal account info to go through your history to see if he ever paid under age girls. And they said that when they checked it, it was clear on all three accounts, Venmo, PayPal, Cash App, whatever it was, that they checked it. And it was clear. So, he said that was proof that he didn’t buy pictures from underage girls. Because he had it the records dated back two years, I guess.
And I was thinking that’s easiest to hide. I didn’t really buy any of that. I was like, that’s not that hard to skip over or not look at it, or the history goes away after a while or … You know what I mean? So they said that they checked through all his payment info for sending money online and it was all clear. So that was proof that he didn’t buy … And that’s what he said. He said it was proof that they didn’t buy pictures. But then he did admit to me that he bought pictures from girls. And I was like, “That contradicts.” Because I’m pretty sure I asked him about that. And I was like, I thought he just said you did buy pictures from girls, but they weren’t under age. And I thought he’s like, “Yeah, but that wasn’t on this and this.” And they were looking for under age girls, this, and this, and this. And I was like, “But he just said the system didn’t show that he paid …” You know what I mean?
Some things just didn’t add up. And so, I didn’t leave the conversation feeling satisfied. But Clay plays innocent. But again, the raping thing just doesn’t … Because of what I know about Clay and who he is as a person, I definitely don’t think it would have been rape. I think it would have been manipulating or pressuring a girl with his words or something he knows about them. I would say blackmail, but manipulating them, and making them feel bad; unless I did do it which … That’s more the angle I would look at it with him. Not, physical, nothing like that.
Now let me just clarify. Was it his current lawyer that was asking for the payment history or were criminal charges brought up?
I think it was his lawyer. I don’t know. He has a lawyer on speed dial, he’s rich, he has the money. So he has a lawyer on speed dial. And-
I was wondering if he was trying to defend himself or-
He was trying to defend himself. I think it was a thing that he was trying to prove that, “Look, I didn’t do this.” So I think it was used not against charges, but to get evidence that, “Look, I could have never done this.”
So you’re not aware of any criminal charges made by anyone?
Yeah, not about that. I’m pretty sure. I think he had, or that might’ve been his brother. I think his brother had a DUI, but Clay’s had … Because Clay has a whole thing, a contract with the school which … We love that, but he has a contract with the school about marijuana possession. So I said it, I don’t know if that’s really what-
That’s correct.
He has a contract with the school about it because it goes with his … because he has a terminal illness, it helps with the pain and stuff. So he’s gotten a thing with Liberty. At least he told me that he got a call. I got an agreement with Liberty that he could smoke and have marijuana possession. So I don’t know if he would have a charge having that stuff before, but-
So let’s talk about the stuff. We’re talking about a ring and a shirt?
Yeah. That’s the last two things left. Everything else that I had in the bag, that Liv gave me. It was sweatshirts and sweats and things like that. And I gave him all that. And then he looked through the bag and he says, I’m missing a champion shirt and a ring. And I was like, “Okay, I’ll ask her about it. And she was set on that. Those were gifts. And the ring, he said didn’t mean anything to him. So, that means he’s lying. It’s not a family ring. And I’m keeping it.
What was your understanding when Liv received those items? Was it a gift from Clay to her?
Yes and no. I don’t know about the championship. I have no idea about that specifically. I don’t know really about the ring. Was that he sent her to the ring over spring break. And that’s why … And he had mentioned that they were going to date. So she was like, “He sends me a ring in the mail, what is all this stuff?” And he said they weren’t. So, she told me in the back of what he did, and he sent that to her. Part of me gets if it’s a gift, you can’t really ask for it back. But she told me again that he said that it was just some ring. It has no meaning. It’s just something he found in his room, whatever.
But when I keep asking him, he was like, “She’s totally lying. It’s a family ring. And I told her it was a family ring.” And so again, I don’t really know what to believe on that. But he told me that he told her it was his family ring and it’s in his family. So that’s why he wants it back. And she’s saying that it was a gift. He said, there’s no meaning to it, nothing behind it. So, it’s mine. Honestly, after everything he’s done, I don’t get why she wouldn’t just give it back. Why would you want anything reminding you of everything he’s done to you? You know what I mean? And so that’s the other thing. It’s like she has some weird, ugly … I’m not going to lie. It’s an obsessive behavior. It is obsessive. She will not let him go. And it’s ridiculous.
Anybody who’s gone through that much trauma and experience, especially the way she talks about it, and describes, would never keep things like that to remind herself of him all the time. And I think she wears it. I’m not sure if she does or not, because he mentioned that she wears it. I didn’t notice that. She wears a lot of rings. I never saw what the ring looked like. So I don’t know if she wears it, but after everything, why wouldn’t you keep that? Why would you want to keep that? There should be no … And she knows that if she would just give him his stuff back, this will be over completely. He wants nothing else to do with her. He just wants his stuff back and to move on. He doesn’t message her. He doesn’t … That’s all he wants, is his stuff back, and he’s done.
And she refuses to get it back. She is so in denial about it all. So I don’t … Part of me is suspicious on that too. What are you really trying to do here? I don’t know if you’re trying to make a statement, if you’re trying to do something, but there’s a reason why you’re not giving him his last two objects back, and ending this once and for all. It’s almost like she wants … I don’t know. She wants the drama of it all or wants whatever of it all. But she is dragging this on when it doesn’t need to be dragged on anymore and that’s on her and not him.
You made a comment though, questioning Clay about the way that he treats women.
Yeah. I know.
But you said there was specifically that no wonder people want to get revenge, for the sexual assault thing. Revenge. Can you clarify what you mean by that? Do you think that that Liv … Is she … Are people making claims and allegations against Clay that you think are false? Because they’re getting revenge because of the way they feel?
Again, personally, I don’t know about the girls with the sexual side. I don’t know any of them. So I don’t know if his story’s about the whole company thing is true or not. So, it can be both ways, it could be true, but it also could be revenge. You know what I mean? So I don’t … because a lot of the girls he’s mentioned that he’s had toxic relationship in the past. He’s like, “We were just …” He says, he never raped them or sexually assaulted them, but he says he wasn’t good to them either. And he’s admitted that to me. So honestly, I don’t know if it’s true or not. I don’t know if it would be a revenge thing or they’re mad at the way he treated them. So they’re like, “Let’s make him look bad.Like sexual assault.” Because some girls do sadly do that. Versus like, “He did do this, and we want to raise awareness.”
But at the same time, if he did, part of me wonders the timing of it too. Why didn’t they come out for everyone? But why did they all of a sudden come out at the same time? You know what I mean? There is some validity to what he’s saying. He’s like, “Why’d, they all come out at the same time in the middle of summer when he wasn’t around any of them?” When he was with Liv, we did not call him. They said, I was aware of … didn’t have contact with any of them. So why did all of a sudden, some couple random girls just come out and say this out of the blue? You know what I mean? That doesn’t really make sense.
So part of them has a validity, some didn’t. Also I’m wondering, is it ever an understanding? It’s random. The timing of it was super random, but at the same time, I’m like, “Well, I know how you treat girls. So I wouldn’t be surprised if some girls came up in a tag team.” And they were like, “Let’s take it out.” After everything you did … I told him … I was like, “I wanted to punch the guy in the face.” I was like, “I didn’t even date you. So I can’t imagine the girls that wanted to date you what they want to do.” You know what I mean? Because if he makes me that upset and I wasn’t even with him, I can’t imagine how all those girls feel.
How many girls did he date after Liv?
After Liv? He hasn’t made anything official with anybody, but he’s going out on dates. He went out on a date with Julia. He had an on and off thing with this girl named Laura. But he was trying to use her as proof that he was a good guy to girls. Because he’s like, “Me and her … She liked me and I told her straight up that I didn’t want to date her.” And I was like, “Yeah? But something happened. Huh?” And he was like, “I know you, what happened? What’s the catch?” He was like, “Well, we did kiss.” And I was like, “Yeah. When she had just gotten out of a relationship with her boyfriend and her boyfriend got mad about the fact that they kissed? Then didn’t want to be with her anymore because she …” So, there was a catch. You still were a dick. You know what I mean? Let’s break up. So I was like, “No, you don’t know how to treat women.” Even though he claims that he said he would treat girls right, he still didn’t know how to treat them. So Julia, Laura, on and off, I don’t think they’re … They’re not dating. I think she’s back with her boyfriend now. I’m pretty sure they worked everything out.
But he had a weird flirty relationship with her at one point. And then there’s this girl that’s been coming over. Her name is either Kate or Katie. I met her this weekend, and he’s been posting videos of her on his story that they’re like … It looked like they were just hanging out as friends. But she was in bed with him, but not in a sexual way, she was just laying on his legs. And he was going like this, doing her hair. And they were laughing and watching some show. So that could be friendly, but she’s been over a lot. And when I met her the first time, she mentioned that she basically is there all the time. So I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s where he’s going right now. Because again, he’s very charismatic and flirty, and he was acting flirty with her, and she was posting all about him and her story.
So that starts that obsessive little thing that they started doing because he gets girls to be like that for some reason. And so I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s where he’s heading right now toward this girl named … It’s either Kate or Katie. And that’s where I think he’s heading right now. But I told him … I was like, “I don’t want to see you dating a girl.” And I told him, I was like, “I don’t want to see you dating. I don’t want to see you hanging out with girls in a sexual manner.” And I was like, “I know I don’t own your life and you’re your own person, but I don’t want to see it because I’m not going to keep defending you, or even helping you out, or trying to figure out the truth of this. I’m just going to assume you’re the bad person in this, if you’re around, if you keep acting like this, you’re not proving me wrong.”
How many girls do you think are … I mean, I know you said you don’t know specifics, but about how many girls are you talking about when these claims came out?
Assault claims? I think it was at four. I think it was four different girls. And I know that … I don’t remember if he said some of them were some of his exes, because he’s mentioned a couple exes to me. And I don’t know if those were some of the girls in the claims, but when I took at the screenshots, because I get … I don’t know if I still have them. But when I took all the screenshots on the Twitter stuff that was going on about him. I think it was four different girls that came out and said it. And I took screenshots of all of it. Because I was like, “Just in case this gets taken down or they need it later.” I took a screenshot, but that was so long ago. I don’t know if they’re still in my recently deleted bucket, but I did take screenshots of all of it. And I think it was four. The number I’m saying is four, but I don’t know if that’s right, to be honest.
Any Liberty affiliation with the exes?
Yes. I think that two of the girls … At least again, when I read online, I don’t know if it’s true, but I’m pretty sure two of the girls mentioned that they were Liberty students and that he didn’t … And I know one of them was for sure. Because one of the girls that I mentioned to Liv, who had DMd Liv and talked to Liv said that it was in the first or second year she was here and that wasn’t … I think he was dating her at the time. They were actually boyfriend, girlfriend.
And she’s still here?
I think pretty sure she’s gone. I think she either transferred or she graduated. So
Do you know how I can find out who she is?
I don’t know if I would have something on my Instagram. That would be like, if I scroll way back, I might be able to find … She might’ve sent me her profile. It’d be like, “This was the girl who said this to me.” Liv might have sent me, but I don’t remember. I remember she either showed me or sent it to me. “This was the girl who messaged me.” But I don’t … That would be somewhere in my phone-
That’d be helpful if you could. I do appreciate the time you’ve given me so far and we probably won’t follow up. So that will be great. When did they block each other?
Recently.
I mean how long has this whole ring thing been going on?
When everything happened with the whole rapist, pedophile thing, I’m pretty sure they blocked each other after that happened. Because she came over to my place. I was like, “This is it. You need to make the decision to block him tonight. You need to do this.” So she said, she’d let me know. Still, after everything, I was like, “You’re …” I was so mad. She came over to the apartment, and I was telling him like, this is why he blocked him. And she was trying to bring up all this things about being like a brother and sister in Christ, how to treat them like Christ would. And I was like, “You got to realize you’re being selfish.” There’s other girls out there. He slid up through your social media to get to one of your best friends, and went on a date with them. I was like, “You’re not helping your fellow brother. You’re hurting them. He’s going to people through you.” And you’re still letting yourself be wrapped up in this, and showing that it doesn’t really matter what he does to me. Look, you could do this to other girls.
So you’re the one who’s actually in the blame for this. I was like, “You need to make the choice in blocking him.” I was trying to tell her. And I think either a day or two later, she blocked him. That’s when the whole rape thing … Again, he yelled at her about all the whole rapist thing and the whole threatening thing. And then she blocked him.
So weeks ago?
That was … I would probably say the two weeks ago, a week. I don’t know if it’s been two yet, but it’s recent. So I would say either like a week and a half, two weeks, maybe two and a half. Somewhere around that range.
Was he asking for his things back before?
He told me he was asking for his things before. And I’m pretty sure I saw some messages. She told me he had asked before and she said, I’ll get some … Yeah, he did. Because I was there and she was like, “I’ll get them to you when I get them to you. Because we were hanging out.” The first time he asked, or one of the times he asked. He was like, “What are you doing? I want my stuff back.” Are you at your place? So I can pick up my stuff. And she said, I’m at Kaitlyn’s apartment right now. Because she was with me. And I was like, “Tell him you’ll get it to him when you get it to him.” And she said that. And when everything came out with the whole … When he found out that she called him a rapist and pedophile, and they all were blocking each other, or whatever, that’s when I became the mediator of the closed stuff because I told her too. I was like, “I don’t even want you seeing him.” I was like, “I don’t want you guys talking to each other. I don’t want you guys hanging out. I want this to be done.” So I was like, “I’ll be the one that gets the clothes back to Clay.” And that’s when she came over, and dropped them off to me, and he came to my place to pick them up.
Are you aware of Liv being bothered by Clay asking for his things back? The manner in which he was asking?
Well, the first couple of times, I even read some of their messages. The first couple of times he just asked for his stuff back. It wasn’t like … I mean they were all bad. So, yes, I guess she’d be mad because of everything that happened. They just weren’t on good terms anyways. So I guess, he did want to step back, and it is his stuff. So I wasn’t like … I was like, “You have to just give it to him back and get this over with.” I wasn’t really … It wasn’t a big deal to me. It was just like get him his stuff back. But the ring and the whatever … For some reason, the champion shirt that was a big deal. She does not want to let it go. She said that that’s a whole new meaning she’s given two things. And that shows that she made the statement and got over it when it’s literally the exact opposite. But she doesn’t want to … it’s so frustrating. It’s the most frustrating journey ever and-
And you’re in a hard spot.
Yeah, it’s hard. I was supposed to hang out with Clay yesterday actually and I wasn’t able to. Because he still asked me to hang out and again, I don’t mind hanging out with him just as a person. As a person, he’s fine, but I don’t want to hear anything about the girls that … I don’t want to see him doing things with girls. I’ll tell him like, “I’ll start calling you out. And you’re … ” But I do know that his attitude was like, “I don’t really give an F about anything.” And I do know that he likes to make … I feel like he’s a lot of bark and no bite. So for example, which I hope … I don’t think I’d get in trouble for this. But when I mentioned that I wanted to hit him, and if I did, he kind of pulled like a, “Oh well, if I needed to I could take you.” That kind of attitude. And I started laughing. I was like, “That’s cute. That’s really cute.” Because I box too.
So I was like, “I’m not really …” I literally was laughing. I was like, You know what I should’ve done? I should’ve had a twist on his arm or try to … I don’t know if it’s something he’ll try to use against me but I’ll say this real quick. I said, what I should do was like not get yourself back until you beat me in a boxing match. And then you can see what really happens. But I think it was dope. So I was like messing around, like I was being serious. Like, “I will hurt you.” I was so mad. The way he treated Liv, and the way he was just … And he gets it. And the thing that gets me so upset is that he gets away with it all, nobody reprimands him. His mom spoils him, his friends eventually take his side, or if they try to tell him, “Hey, you shouldn’t do this, they eventually go to his side anyways because he talks his way out of it. And I’m still …
And even like Liv, the person who got hurt probably the most out of all this, she just kept letting it go, and letting it go, and letting it go. I was like, “You’re telling him that it’s okay to treat you like this. He’ll do something to you that’s horrible, and you feel hurt, and you come to me crying, but you don’t tell him that.” You know what I mean? She keeps being his friend, or going back to him, or all this stuff. I’m like, “You’re showing that, “Well, I could treat her like this and it’s fine. She’ll come back to me anyways.” Everyone’s letting him get away with this stuff. So it’s just so frustrating to me that nobody’s willing to call him out and be like, “You need to stop.” So that’s what I did. So if that comes out and they try to act like I was threatening, I’ll say that. I guess my intimidation could be like I was mad, and I was upset, and I was like in his face about it because he just gets away with it all. That’s how it is.
Do you think that Connor believed any of the allegations about-
Yes.
You do?
How I would say so … He’s going to tell you now … I know right now he’s going to tell you that he never did, but as soon as the allegations came out, he distanced himself, and he kicked him off of the Liberty Way and all this stuff. They stopped talking for a couple of weeks.
Conner kicked-
Clay out of the Liberty Way.
Because of the-
Because of the sexual allegations. Hands down, he believed it. And that should be another sign. If your best friend believes that there should be some truth to this then yeah.
Do you think that Abby ever believed it?
I think she did because she’s … But again, she’s so loyal to Connor that whatever Connor believes, she goes for it. So at the beginning when Connor was not really for him, and when all of us had dinner together, and Liv was going off at like, “He’s a dirt bag.” And all this stuff, they were all like, “Yeah. He is.” They were totally trash-talking him, which I found really funny when a week later they were all best friends hanging out again. And I was like, “You guys just don’t …” You know what I mean? I don’t really know what they’re going forward, but now Connor is on Clay’s side. So Abby is now with Connor on Clay side because, Abby will do whatever Connor does. She’s like a little puppet that follows him around. So whatever Connor thinks, Abby’s going to agree with. So, that’s why they’re on … Since Connor right now is on Clay’s side. That’s where she’s at right now.
And anyone else that could speak to specifically Clay and the allegation of the underage … paying for the underage-
Literally, Liv’s the only one I know, because again, he admitted to me and Connor that he did buy pictures, but he said they weren’t from under age girls. And he made that … He told me that a bunch of times, and Connor did too because Conner was with us when we were all talking. They all said that it wasn’t any under age girls. So I told Liv. I was like, “Liv, why did you tell me they were underage? Connor just said they weren’t. And she was like, “I don’t know why he’d say that. He admitted to me that they were under age.” And at first I get what she says, versus what he says. So I couldn’t really determine what part of that is true. I don’t have evidence of it or anything.
Does anyone else have knowledge? Do you think Liv told anyone else?
Besides telling me that he got pictures from one of these girls? I don’t know if she told … I mean, I assume she told Julie and Abby. Because she told Julie and Abby that he’s a rapist, a pedophile. And the pedophile part came from the buying pictures of under age girls. So I can imagine that she probably told Julia or Abby.
Do you have Julia’s contact, if I-
I do. I have her Snapchat. I could ask for her number, but I only really messaged her through Snapchat.
Do you know her last name?
It’d be on … I think it’s on my phone. I have her Instagram too. So I can find Julia.
Julia’s information, I would love to get from you today. Along with … you said you had Dms?
Yeah. I have to go through all that. But Julia is very new to all of this. She’s only … This is like … Her and Liv have been friends for a month and a half now. And they told her I guess everything. Because they became good friends all of a sudden. And I know that she got with … She only went on one date … And I’m aware that she’s only been on one date with Clay, and that whenever they came out with the whole rapist thing, she kept her distance. So I wouldn’t say she knows a lot, but she would know about the whole date.
Anybody else I should talk to?
Not that … I mean are you talking to Abby and Connor? I guess Julia would maybe work.
Does she go here?
Julia? Yeah, she does. Not that I’m aware of. I would say I don’t really-
If you think of anything, let me know. Is there anything else that related or unrelated that you want to?
I’m trying to clear all the dirty laundry about him here. He mentioned … I mean this is important I guess. I think I already said this though, that he mentioned that he didn’t care that he threatened her. And to me, that was a giant red. That literally got me to the point where I was like, “Hit him right there.” That was my big overall breaking point on it. When he said that to me, I was like, “Don’t ever say that near me again. Don’t; unless you want all your teeth knocked out. Don’t say that to me again.” Because his whole attitude is like … And the thing that makes me feel like maybe this could have happened is because he acts like I can get away with whatever I want.
And another thing is, he’s mentioned that … He’ll be caulking if we are hanging out, and he sees a cute girl, he says, “I could get her to sleep with me.” He says things like that. If I wanted to, I could get that girl to sleep with me. He brags about it, and says things like that about girls. So his whole attitude towards women is not acceptable at all. It’s just not. He acts like, “I can get whoever I want attitude.” And the funny thing was, I laughed about this. I’ve been in a relationship two years, but recently … with me and my boyfriend … we’re okay now. But we had a break for a couple of weeks. Because we were just not doing well. And when we were still together, and that was the month we had the conversation … Me and Clay at my apartment about the way he treated girls.
He was like, well, I’ve never made a move on you. And I said, well, I’m in a relationship. So you wouldn’t do that anyways. And no offense, you’re not my type. And he said, well, you’re not my type either, this, and this, and this, and this. But as soon as he found out I was on a break, when we all hung out, he was like, “Would you ever be one of those girls that would hookup with a guy when you’re on a break?” And I was like, “No.” But part of me was wondering like, “Why would you ask me that?” And that was one of the things that if I said yes, if I was one of those girls and I was like, “Yeah, I’ll do it.” Would he have tried? And that made me also have a red flag. Who else are you doing this to?
Well, at this point I’m going to turn this off because we’re through with the main points.